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Re:Consciousness as Hallucination - 2007/08/13 01:34 Even if the results of the experiment are correct, and conscious decisions are made after neural firings, why would those particular neurons not contribute to conscious experience? It seems odd that, unlike most other neurons, these firings would not be a part of conscious perception. Like I commented on the link, there must then be a certain structure that triggers it to be a part of thought. What would happen, then, if that structure were surgically removed?
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Re:Consciousness as Hallucination - 2007/08/13 19:56 In the line of what you say, one has to question everything in these kinds of experiments as conclusions may be established prematurely. What Libet demonstrated is that there is a pattern of activity (known as Readiness Potential or RP) that preceded any voluntary action. The RP appeared something like 300 ms before the conscious report of the decision. But, as we know, consciousness is tricky with the perception of time. Also, what if the RP pattern is part of the formation of the conscious decision that will be take place in short? Maybe, as you say, the RP is part of the pattern that forms the conscious thought. Anyway, we are never conscious of the inner reasoning process going on within our head in order to take a decision. That doesn’t necessarily mean that free will is an illusion. It simply means that conscious decisions are formed unconsciously, the same way the activation of our arm muscles is carried out unconsciously when we consciously decide to move the arm.

Additionally, we could think of some flaws in the design and interpretation of these experiments. The subjects had to report their decision, and that is a different conscious process than the decision itself, so it is not surprising that the conscious report of the decision comes later than the conscious decision itself.
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Re:Consciousness as Hallucination - 2007/08/13 20:44 Yes, it is clear that Libet's experiment did not conclusively show that free will was an illusion. Could it be possible, though, to devise an experiment that would conclusively prove or disprove the existence of free will?
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Re:Consciousness as Hallucination - 2007/09/05 16:41 I believe that is an unsolved question: Whether or not there is room for free will in a world governed by causality.. However you could consider a relaxed form of free will. That is, given a complex universe like ours where there is no possible way of calculating all the effects of causality, effectively means that your decisions cannot be pre-calculated, therefore, it is actually a kind of free will (because although it can be predetermined, this predetermination cannot be calculated a priori). Raúl Arrabales Moreno. conscious-robots.com/raul
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